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  1. Steam
    August 22, 2013

    Market-share of import cars in Germany:

    2013 (july): 36,6 %
    2013 YTD: 37,0 %
    2012: 37,0 %
    2011: 36,5 %
    2000: 33,8 %
    1999: 33,7 %

    source: auto, motor & sport statistics based on KBA-data

  2. Steam
    August 22, 2013

    Bryan :

    roman :@Bryan Skoda is best-selling fereign brand in Germany.

    Skoda is totally owned by VW as well as SEAT. A Skoda is a imported VW as well as a VW Polo, for example.
    Renault is really the best-selling non-german car brand in Germany.

    Bryan :@Steam
    Steam, don’t forget that today there are so many more brands and models out there than a 15 years ago. Mini, a strong Skoda, a strong SEAT, Qashqai, Dacia, Yaris, a strong Mazda, Hyundai, KIA, Chevrolet, etc etc.. So for me the result of Renault sales in Germany is not so bad.
    The only brand that nowadays is really weaker than a 10 years ago is GM-Opel. All the others are stronger.
    I think that it’s very good for Renault to be in Top 10 in such a great and competitive market like Germany.
    Best Regards

    Actually the market-share of Hyundai is 3,4 % YTD and the market-share of Renault is 3,3 %.

    Source: http://www.kba.de/cln_031/nn_330190/SharedDocs/Publikationen/PM/2013/pm__23__13__fahrzeugzulassungen__07__2013__pdf,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/pm_23_13_fahrzeugzulassungen_07_2013_pdf.pdf

  3. tengil
    August 22, 2013

    @steam and roman
    i share your opinions too, that skoda has to be considered as the strongest foreign brand in germany, for the reason steam mentioned.

  4. JP
    August 22, 2013

    Sales of the Clio probably include serie III and IV, when the 208 does not include sales of the 207 it replaces. The Clio III and the 207 are still being sold.

  5. Bryan
    August 22, 2013

    Steam :

    Bryan :

    Steam :In 1999 the market-share of Renault was in Germany around 6,8 % (without Dacia!) if I remember well. Nowadays it is just a little bit more than half of it. The rise of Skoda, Dacia, Hyundai und Kia had it’s effects on Renault-sales.

    And don’t forget SEAT!
    But that has nothing to do with Renaut itself.
    Germans are more and more nationalists in terms of cars, and for me that’s normal, look what happened to GM/Opel for example.

    In this blog I shared data which show, that in Germany the market-share of foreign brands is rising, so I would not say Germans are getting nationalistic more and more. The trouble with Renault is just due to the cannibalization by Dacia and rising korean brands.
    Renault did a huge mistake not offering attractive SUV-models. And they were going to a weak period concerning the Renault-design.
    Opel did the same mistake: They missed the SUV-trend. Further on they are still suffering from some reliability-problems in the nineties.

    In my opinion the problem with GM/Opel is completly different. GM/Opel has had severe competitiveness problems since the nineties. The European GM subsidiary suffers losses continuously since the last 10 years. It’s a real serious problem, and obviously Germans prefer to buy VWs instead of cars from a bankrupt semi-American company.

    Cheers ;)

  6. Bryan
    August 21, 2013

    @Steam

    Steam, don’t forget that today there are so many more brands and models out there than a 15 years ago. Mini, a strong Skoda, a strong SEAT, Qashqai, Dacia, Yaris, a strong Mazda, Hyundai, KIA, Chevrolet, etc etc.. So for me the result of Renault sales in Germany is not so bad.

    The only brand that nowadays is really weaker than a 10 years ago is GM-Opel. All the others are stronger.

    I think that it’s very good for Renault to be in Top 10 in such a great and competitive market like Germany.

    Best Regards ;)

  7. Steam
    August 21, 2013

    Bryan :

    Steam :In 1999 the market-share of Renault was in Germany around 6,8 % (without Dacia!) if I remember well. Nowadays it is just a little bit more than half of it. The rise of Skoda, Dacia, Hyundai und Kia had it’s effects on Renault-sales.

    And don’t forget SEAT!
    But that has nothing to do with Renaut itself.
    Germans are more and more nationalists in terms of cars, and for me that’s normal, look what happened to GM/Opel for example.

    In this blog I shared data which show, that in Germany the market-share of foreign brands is rising, so I would not say Germans are getting nationalistic more and more. The trouble with Renault is just due to the cannibalization by Dacia and rising korean brands.

    Renault did a huge mistake not offering attractive SUV-models. And they were going to a weak period concerning the Renault-design.

    Opel did the same mistake: They missed the SUV-trend. Further on they are still suffering from some reliability-problems in the nineties.

  8. Steam
    August 21, 2013

    1999 Renault was with four models in german top-22: Twingo, Clio, Scenic and Megane. Laguna was 34th, Kangoo 40th and Espace 62nd. That’s a little bit different compared to nowadays.

  9. Bryan
    August 21, 2013

    Steam :
    In 1999 the market-share of Renault was in Germany around 6,8 % (without Dacia!) if I remember well. Nowadays it is just a little bit more than half of it. The rise of Skoda, Dacia, Hyundai und Kia had it’s effects on Renault-sales.

    And don’t forget SEAT!

    But that has nothing to do with Renaut itself.

    Germans are more and more nationalists in terms of cars, and for me that’s normal, look what happened to GM/Opel for example.

  10. Steam
    August 21, 2013

    Matt, is there a chance for detailed european charts including ranks beyond the top-ten?

    • matgasnier
      August 21, 2013

      Hi Steam,
      Trying but struggling a little on this one am afraid. If anyone reading this has access to a models ranking for Europe beyond the Top 10 please get in touch or contact me at matt@bestsellingcarsblog.com Thanks!

  11. Bryan
    August 21, 2013

    roman :
    @Bryan
    Skoda is best-selling fereign brand in Germany.

    Skoda is totally owned by VW as well as SEAT. A Skoda is a imported VW as well as a VW Polo, for example.

    Renault is really the best-selling non-german car brand in Germany.

  12. Steam
    August 21, 2013

    In 1999 the market-share of Renault was in Germany around 6,8 % (without Dacia!) if I remember well. Nowadays it is just a little bit more than half of it. The rise of Skoda, Dacia, Hyundai und Kia had it’s effects on Renault-sales.

  13. Steam
    August 21, 2013

    Well – some fellows here regard Skoda as a german brand because it is owned by Volkswagen. Anyway I do not agree to this.

    Since 2013 the german “Kraftfahr-Bundesamt” separates sales of Renault and Dacia so Skoda is the strongest foreign brand. Before there always was a tough race between Skoda and Renault/Dacia. ;)

    The original data by the Kraftfahr-Bundesamt for july:

    http://www.kba.de/cln_031/nn_124384/SharedDocs/Publikationen/PM/2013/pm__23__13__fahrzeugzulassungen__07__2013__pdf,templateId=raw,property=publicationFile.pdf/pm_23_13_fahrzeugzulassungen_07_2013_pdf.pdf

  14. roman
    August 21, 2013

    @Bryan
    Skoda is best-selling fereign brand in Germany.

  15. Bryan
    August 21, 2013

    Rick, Renault is the best-selling foreign brand in Germany, i don’t think they ignore Renault. It’s really strange that in Germany for example, the Megane and the Scenic sell double than the Clio, this is maybe due to the waiting list of Clio IV.

  16. Ian
    August 21, 2013

    I agree the Clio deserves to be huge in the UK, there seems to more appearing on the roads, we do like the 208, it is No. 9 best seller so far this year, The UK is Ford’s biggest market in Europe and BMW’s second biggest after Germany.

  17. Blaž
    August 20, 2013

    Bigest problem for Renault is UK market. If Clio would be there in top 10 it would be on 2. place in Europe (Clio)now that is not going to happen. Second problem for Renault is Megane. Seales were poor this year.

  18. Rick
    August 20, 2013

    The UK market is THE big differentiator, EU saleswise:

    a. that market is huge.
    b. that market grows month after month, 17 in a row now.
    c. UK-ians consume Fords and BMW’s like there is no tomorrow.
    d. if the (very good;) Clio and (outstanding;) 208 wouldn’t be neglected by Germans & Brits both would pass Polo, Fiesta en Focus to land at #2 and #3.

    Why – different from the past – the Clio and 208 are ignored in Teutonia and the (fine;) miss Clio beaten in England – can’t tell. Wish I could.

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