45 responses

  1. Lara
    December 8, 2013

    It’s funny to see that some of VW haters are not satisfied with the fact that she is heading to become the world’s largest!

  2. Lara
    December 8, 2013

    More than 300,000 Civics!

  3. Bryan
    December 7, 2013

    @Bernard

    Once again, i’m not talking about the suspension or the engines but the design. In term of design the Jetta and the Passat are the same car both in the USA and in Europe (The Passat has only different tail lights). And in my opinion the US VWs should be more atractive for the American people, they should be more irreverent cars and not so boring. That’s my opinion.

  4. Sonico
    December 7, 2013

    @Bernard
    I think your analysis perfectly hits the point.

  5. Anibal
    December 6, 2013

    VW drop almost 30%…

  6. Brandon
    December 6, 2013

    @Darren
    Lol XD

  7. Darren
    December 6, 2013

    This “gay” wouldn’t be seen dead in a VAG… ;) I drive 1977 Citroen CX. I daresay the deep thinkers would consider it to a phallic shape though, so I can’t win ;)

  8. Bernard
    December 6, 2013

    @Bryan
    Bryan,

    Once again, the US Passat is a completely different car from the European Passat.

    The US Jetta may look similar to the European one (all VWs look similar), but the interior, suspension and drivetrain are different. More importantly, the entry-level market positioning is also different. You may not be able to tell the difference between the two, but buyers can. The US equivalent to the European Jetta is the GLi which sells for 50% more than the base model. I know you will argue that the “design” is the same, but that’s only valid if you limit “design” to the broad shape of the sheetmetal. One can certainly argue that actual buyers take a lot more into consideration, especially int this hyper-competitive end of the market.

    On a more pertinent note, I wonder if Cherokee sales were clearing the backlog of pre-orders, or if they will continue to grow over the next few months. It’s certainly an interesting crossover, and it could take away a lot of sales from the more bland CRV, Escape and RAV4.

  9. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    This is not a question of bothering someone. We have opposite opinions and that’s normal. I’m sure that in this time you’ve understood perfectly my point.

  10. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    tuga :
    @Bryan
    VW having diferent cars with the same design language is another.
    Lol… I’m SO sorry i bothered you. It will not happen again.

    @tuga

    VW has EXACTLY the same cars in terms of design in USA and in Europe.

    Hyundai designs cars specifally for the European and the American market and has different models in the both markets. That’s different.

    Even in Brasil or in China VW has exclusive cars for that markets, like the Gol or the Lavida so they should do that same in the USA.

    Buick has minimum sales in the States so your point about this brand makes no sense. Besides that, Buick has various American-designed cars like the LaCrosse, Enclave or Verano. And in China they have the Excelle and the GL8 which are only sold there. Buick range is a mix of cars designed in GM USA, GM Europe and GM China.

    Ford also design cars both in Europe (Fiesta, Focus) and in the USA (Fusion, Edge). They have design centers in Germany and in UK.

    So, all of these brands sell different models in USA and in Europe, VW is the only one that sells exactly the same models in this two major markets. In my opinion they should have exclusive models for these two important markets like they do in Brazil and in China.

  11. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    So Hyundai having diferent cars with the same design language is one thing, and VW having diferent cars with the same design language is another. Buick/Opel and Ford sharing cars is irrelevant. And i need to watch my mouth. Got it.

    Lol… I’m SO sorry i bothered you. It will not happen again.

  12. irpowell
    December 5, 2013

    In my opinion the Jeep Cherokee looks great

  13. Paul
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    Agree on the boring design. VW seem to have missed the boat. Golf, nice enough though it is, just looks ten years ago next to Corolla and new 3, and even Focus.

  14. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    Some of the USA Hyundais are different from the Europeans. i20 and i40 are designed specifically for the European market and they don’t exist in the USA.

    On the other hand Sonata, Azera or Genesis don’t exist in Europe.

    Buicks sales are negligible in the USA. Buick only exists because China.

  15. Bart
    December 5, 2013

    I agree totally with @Bernard :

    “VW is down because their best sellers are nearing the end of their product cycles. ”
    “The way for them is to offer a bigger affordable crossover”

    That’s exactly what I wrote two weeks ago: Volkswagen US sales: down and out or just a taking a break?

  16. Leon
    December 5, 2013
  17. Max
    December 5, 2013

    In fact it is! At least for me wich I hate VW and audi! And I’m a Toyota/Lexus lover! And…get this: I’m gay :-) @Bryan

  18. JamiroCars
    December 5, 2013

    Why does the Corolla not grow?

  19. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    Read the comments twice before you made a reply.

  20. Blaž
    December 5, 2013

    @Leon
    Not talking what it is true but what people think ;). Here in Balkan VW still has reputation that it builds reliable cars, problably still because of Golf II. Nice to hear that that it is not the case in USA.

  21. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    Blaž :
    And the gays are probably because of Beetle.

    Probably lol.

    My ex-girlfriend had a Beetle Cabrio of the previous generation and that car was way too feminine.

  22. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    Kid, you need to calm down.

  23. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Sonico
    Absolutely. Hyundai would love to have Hondas volume. Honda would love to have Hyundais growth. It’s like they say, ” The grass is always greener… ” :)

    @Bryan
    So are Fords, and Hyundais, and Opel/Buicks. Design is not the problem. But whatever.

  24. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    Man, nobody is talking about engines or suspension but about DESIGN.

    You have to pay better attention before you made a comment.

  25. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    I’m talking about the design, not the specs. They are the same cars in terms of design.

  26. Leon
    December 5, 2013

    @Blaž
    VW is not reliable. Just look at the last massive recall, 2.6Mls. They have a poor ranking in the Reliability Index in Europe too.

  27. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga
    Meant to say that up to this MY the Jetta had a diferent base engine.

  28. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    The Jetta has a diferent rear suspension, downgraded interior and, up to this MY, a diferente interior.

    The US Passat is made in Chatanooga, was all new for 2011, is much larger than the EU Passat and is based on a diferent platform. YOU Google it.

    @ The ” gays ” don’t like the Beetle. The ” gays ” like cars the same way other people like cars. As for the difference in quality perception, i believe it has something to do with US dealers having a bit of an attitude problem.

  29. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @Carson

    No, it’s not. You’re wrong.

    The new Ford Mondeo will be exactly the new Ford Fusion. The new Fusion is a global car but with a different name in Europe (Mondeo).

    Camry and Avensis are cars of the same class. Mid-size sedans and both of them compete with the Passat.

    Passat compete against Camry/Avensis/Fusion/Mondeo.

    Jetta compete against Focus sedan/Corolla.

  30. Blaž
    December 5, 2013

    That is new thing that VW seems unreliable in US. In Europe is exactly opposite, at least in Balkan. And the gays are probably because of Beetle.

  31. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga

    The US Jetta/Passat and the Euro jetta/Passat are the same in terms of design. The Jetta is exactly the same, the Passat only has different tail ligths. Google it.

  32. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    The US Jetta is decontented in comparison with the European one, and the Passat is a completely diferent car.

    Also, what’s so funny about gay people?

    Bernard is right. VW need a mid/large 7 seat SUV, and new product.

  33. Carson
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan

    I don’t think that’s true. Isn’t the US Passat much bigger with a higher spec? After all in the US it competes with the Ford Fusion and Toyota Camry. In Europe it competes with the Ford Mondeo and the Toyota Avensis. So the US Passat is a class above.

  34. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @Bernard

    The US Jetta and Passat are identical to the Europeans versions.

    All Americans that i know tell me that VW are boring cars for old people and for gays (LOL). And they don’t trust in their reliability.

    I think that VW should design more fresh cars in the USA because the taste of Americans is very different from the Europeans.

  35. Bernard
    December 5, 2013

    @Bryan
    (VW) “should design cars specifically for the USA & Canadian market”

    They already do. The US Jetta and Passat are different from those in the rest of the world.
    VW is down because their best sellers are nearing the end of their product cycles. It’s no big mystery, and it happens to all cars. The slowdown is not because VW changed the specification on a gearbox lubricant in the Chinese market.

    The way for them to increase their sales (other than refreshing the Jetta and Passat) is to offer a bigger affordable crossover. The Tiguan is small, and the Touareg is nearly as expensive as a Porsche Cayenne. They could do with a CRV/RAV4 equivalent.

  36. Sonico
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga
    You surely have a point. However, I’m sure that more than a few manufacturers would kill to have such a rough 2014 ;)

  37. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    @Leon

    I agree with you. For me the principal reasons for the weak result of VW in the USA are: fame of poor reliable vehicles during years and years and boring design.

    If VW wants to win in the USA they should give a 7 year warrantly and they should design cars specifically for the USA & Canadian market, like the Japanese and the Koreans do.

  38. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    @Sonico
    Well… New Corolla, new Mazda3, Sentra on the rise… There are going to be some sweet deals to be made on Civics next year imo :)

    Not to mention the new RAV4, Cherokee and Rogue vs the CRV, and a new Sonata, re styled Camry and very strong Altima and Fusion vs the Accord. All they’re releasing next year is a renewed Civic Coupe and Odissey. Slow year.

  39. Leon
    December 5, 2013

    Even in a rising market, VW is doing a very poor job… Reliability issues, design, price…

  40. Sonico
    December 5, 2013

    @tuga
    Maybe… but we are still talking about the 6th best selling model in the USA, and Honda has 3 models in the Top 10: isn’t “a rough 2014″ a bit of a stretch? :D

  41. Bryan
    December 5, 2013

    Jetta – 13% and Passat – 16%… USA should be the prefered market of the VW haters lol

  42. nemanja s.
    December 5, 2013

    Congratulations Machionne!! Cherokee is something totally different in Jeeps range.

  43. tuga
    December 5, 2013

    Civic down 13%… It’s going to be a rough 2014 for Honda.

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