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  1. Ant
    September 15, 2012

    There were approx 1.900.000 foreign cars circulating on italian roads in 1971 approx 16% of the total quantity… Here the main brands:
    Simca. 304.577
    Opel. 279.543
    Nsu. 255.655
    Ford D. 234.034
    Volksw. 205.319
    Renault. 191.256
    Citroen. 124.077
    Ford GB. 61.710
    Mercedes 43.348
    Peugeot. 41.322
    Bmw. 41.146

    Source quattroruote magazine

  2. Ant
    September 8, 2012

    Luckly for Fiat there are 81.372 sold cars + 16.500 lcv in brasil in august 2012 :)

  3. ant
    September 7, 2012

    @Ant
    Dear Marc, you partly right especially regarding the usual abroad production that actually is made even by fiat competitors. If we see the numbers in penetration percentage italians are not buying less italians cars than last year. I’m mainly complaining about the lack of new products in several segments that have forced italians to buy foreign cars… no options! Lancia has never been a big seller abroad mainly in domestic market..Alfa always was much more popular and don’t forget that when fiat got Alfa from Iri state company they got for free in spite of an offer from ford of 10.000 billions lira (approx 5 billions euro in 1980′s)… very big scandal at that time…. we all closed the eyes because Alfa stayed in italy…. of course the relation between fiat and italian people is not very trusty for many reasons and it’s too long to be explained …

  4. Marc
    September 7, 2012

    Sorry Ant, You can’t say all against Fiat how if other not doin the same things, VW or Renault and anyother producers in all Europe, From Romania to Bratislava to… Morocco. So, please, Fiat not has (now) more faults than other. Now the big problem for Fiat is the entire italian market and economy (every year go down -20%), and how italians not defended their industries.
    And, dera Ant, in 2012 isn’t important WHERE an industry produce hs product: is important where their big industries (like Fiat for Italy) payed their taxes for their sales figures… for any 10.000 euros of Fiat500 sold.. FIat payed taxes IN ITALY, for italian people and for italian country and State-balance: so if italians buy products of italian industries, these money remain in Italy for italians (exactly how happens in France how a french buy a Dacia, or in Germany how a german buy a Skoda!)
    Italian not understand this. Not only for cars, but for all-

    PS about Alfa.. alfa is a bad badge who was in a great difficulty and in big loss just from… 1972! Was in a big loss when this badge was under Italian-state control (just 1986) and was the same under Fiat control despite FIat had invested in Alfa all from 1990. also when Lancia were in a big position in all UE with over 300,000 cars sold: For Alfa fault Fiat had destroyed Lancia and Fiat loses more than 200mln of euro every year..

  5. Ant
    September 7, 2012

    Ian i fully agree with you thanks :)

  6. Ian
    September 6, 2012

    The European car market is in a very bad way, even the German market is down, the Italians love Station Wagons, Fiat strangely does not make one, maybe selling Alfa to VW would be a good idea, they managed to transform Skoda from a bad joke to being well respected. Fuel in Italy is even more expensive than the UK (and we complain). I hope things get better soon

  7. ant
    September 6, 2012

    Dear Marc, 500 is made in Poland, freemont made in Mexico, ypsilon made in Poland, 500 L in Serbia ..here they produce only panda, punto the 2 alfas (mito+giulietta) and the lancia delta. It’s not so much for covering people demand… it was a choice made by fiat group when they understood years ago that time for state support was over… i really hope that fiat will sell alfa to Vw…i’m sure Vw would be able to make alfa as bmw :)

  8. Miguel
    September 6, 2012

    What a drop in new car sales in Itlay!!!

  9. Marc
    September 6, 2012

    I don’t think hight fuel price don’t help selling of new models which had lower consumption and often different supply directy marker like LPG, methane or hybrid- at opposite this help new models.
    In Italy there are plus largest economic problems for families and industries.

    Btw hope nel 500L can help Fiat and italians by the end of the year, but certanly there’s the big problems then italian citizens don’t help their industries, they buy too many foreign products! So they help too much competing economies how German, asian and french industry….

  10. Juan Felipe
    September 6, 2012

    Tough times for Fiat and everybody in Italy. The Panda did well, such as the Giulietta, the 500 and the Musa. For the complete analysis, visit my blog about Fiat-Chrysler group:

    http://carindustryanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/august12-fiat-suffers-in-a-terrible-italian-market/

  11. Ant
    September 6, 2012

    August has been a poor sales month for italy due to holiday plus 2 euro/liter fuel price doesn’t help! 500L should help Fiat to recover sales from next month :)

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